Legislature(2001 - 2002)

01/30/2001 08:04 AM House STA

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                 
              HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                         January 30, 2001                                                                                       
                            8:04 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: Public Defender's Office; Office of Public Advocacy                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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01-9, SIDES A & B                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
CHAIRMAN JOHN COGHILL called the House State Affairs Standing                                                                   
Committee meeting to order at 8:04 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
PRESENT                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Committee members present were Representatives Coghill, James,                                                                  
Hayes, Fate, Stevens, and Wilson.  Representative Crawford was                                                                  
absent.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY OF INFORMATION                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BRANT McGEE,  Public Advocate, Office  of Public  Advocacy (OPA),                                                               
gave a brief  history of OPA, explaining that  it was established                                                               
by the  legislature in 1984  because of dissatisfaction  with the                                                               
previous system handled through the  courts.  The first thing OPA                                                               
did was to replace most of  the lawyers because it was easier and                                                               
less expensive to  train a child development specialist  to be an                                                               
advocate than it was to train  a lawyer to be a child development                                                               
specialist.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. McGEE  said the  division has  53 employees,  14 of  whom are                                                               
attorneys.   The OPA also  contracts with 78 private  lawyers and                                                               
has a pool of 214 more  who are called upon occasionally.  Eighty                                                               
percent  of  OPA's  budget  goes  into  the  private  sector  for                                                               
attorney fees,  witnesses, and travel expenses.   Public guardian                                                               
cases  make up  55 percent  of  the caseload;  guardian ad  litem                                                               
cases  account for  25 percent;  and criminal  defense cases,  10                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES asked  how  often guardians  ad litem  meet                                                               
face-to-face with Children in Need of Aid clients.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McGEE said  they  meet face-to-face  very  seldom, and  that                                                               
face-to-face  meetings  with  adolescents or  infants  are  rare.                                                               
Representative James expressed concern that  teens do not have an                                                               
opportunity to  discuss their feelings  with a guardian  ad litem                                                               
(GAL).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE asked  about  the possibility  of OPA  using                                                               
telecommunications   for  distance   delivery   of  services,   a                                                               
direction the University of Alaska was taking.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. McGEE  said the quality  of representation  by teleconference                                                               
was inferior  and the court  system had not  yet been set  up for                                                               
videoconferencing.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE asked  why, if  face-to-face meeting  with a                                                               
GAL  is not  frequent,  teleconferencing could  not  be done  for                                                               
remote sites.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  said it might  be better for  the defendant                                                               
to attend hearings in person.   She stressed that there is a need                                                               
for face-to-face interchange with the GAL.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. McGEE  gave a brief  overview of the Court  Appointed Special                                                               
Advocate  (CASA) program.   He  said  he believes  the Office  of                                                               
Public  Advocacy  is successful  because  of  its very  committed                                                               
staff.    Those  people  believe  in what  they  are  doing,  and                                                               
although the  state hires  them for  37.5 hours  a week,  most of                                                               
them work more  than 50 hours a  week, he said.   There are three                                                               
areas  of  work --  guardian  ad  litem, indigent  criminal,  and                                                               
public guardian  for vulnerable adults.   He said in  Fiscal Year                                                               
2000, Child  in Need of  Aid cases  increased by 23  percent, not                                                               
due  to an  increased  number  of cases,  but  because cases  are                                                               
taking longer  to resolve.   In  the first  six months  of fiscal                                                               
year 2001, there was only a  1 percent increase, but the division                                                               
spent $300,000  more on litigation  than it  did in the  same six                                                               
months last year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  asked if  there were  any cases  that could                                                               
have been resolved another way.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. McGEE said  that many cases are settled before  the case goes                                                               
to court,  but work still  must be done  to prepare the  case for                                                               
trial and filing deadlines must be  met, even when it is probable                                                               
that the case will be settled out of court.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  said the  problem with  court proceedings                                                               
is  that the  family is  the only  party that  doesn't speak  the                                                               
language that  is used in the  courtroom.  The family  often does                                                               
not understand what  is happening to them and they  feel left out                                                               
of the process.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McGEE said  that  20  percent of  their  cases are  indigent                                                               
criminal  cases referred  to OPA  because  the public  defender's                                                               
office  has a  conflict of  interest with  the client.   The  OPA                                                               
likewise  refers  cases  outside  its  office  when  there  is  a                                                               
conflict of  interest.  For example,  in Bethel, because it  is a                                                               
smaller community, many cases need  to be transferred because one                                                               
person could be  the victim, the witness, and  the perpetrator in                                                               
three separate cases within a short span of time.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McGEE said  that  crime and  child abuse  do  not feed  OPA;                                                               
alcohol feeds OPA.   He said he challenged his  staff to find one                                                               
case in  which alcohol was not  a factor, and they  couldn't come                                                               
up with one.   He said that  if alcohol were not  the factor that                                                               
it is in Alaska,  the state would need an OPA  staff of just five                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE said  he had heard that drugs  are endemic in                                                               
the Bush.  Mr. McGee said  there is marijuana use and other drugs                                                               
sometimes are involved, but alcohol is the big problem.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McGEE  concluded  by  saying that  OPA  cannot  control  its                                                               
caseload, as all cases come from a court order or appointment.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVES JAMES  AND REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  each commented                                                               
that their dealings with OPA had been very good ones.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BLAIR McCUNE,  Deputy Director, Public  Defender Agency,  said he                                                               
handles Children  in Need of  Aid (CINA) cases.   He said  he was                                                               
present on behalf of Barbara Brink, director of the agency.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE said that the  public defender's office provides legal                                                               
representation for  indigent people in  criminal cases.   As with                                                               
OPA, the  agency does  not have  control over  how many  cases it                                                               
handles.   The courts refer  them after screening  the defendants                                                               
and determining  that they  are indigent.   There are  13 offices                                                               
statewide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  said that in  1995, the  court system adopted  a rule                                                               
requiring  defendants  using  the  public  defender's  office  to                                                               
reimburse the agency for services  rendered.  The rates vary from                                                               
$200 for  a misdemeanor case  to $5,000 for  a murder trial.   At                                                               
the end of a trial, the judge  issues a judgment order.  A recent                                                               
audit revealed there was $7.8  million in outstanding orders with                                                               
$2.5 million collected thus far.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McCUNE said  that the  public  defender's office  represents                                                               
parents involved  in a Child  In Need of Aid  case.  He  said the                                                               
legislature  passed legislation  in 2000  that allows  the public                                                               
defender's office to become involved  before the 48-hour probable                                                               
cause hearing.  This enables  them to review medical, police, and                                                               
social worker  reports prior to the  hearing.  He said  there are                                                               
times when  the public  defender agrees  there is  probable cause                                                               
and works  with client to  get the  best placement for  the child                                                               
and a  case plan for reunification.   Mr. McCune said  the key to                                                               
reunification is  treatment and visitation.   Without visitation,                                                               
the parents drift  off.  Public defenders work  toward having the                                                               
child live with family.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said  that in her experience  with 19 foster                                                               
children, the  most important factor  in success was  keeping the                                                               
children in touch with their parents.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  said the foster  parent program is overloaded.   Cook                                                               
Inlet  Native  Corporation  has  relieved some  of  the  load  by                                                               
setting up  a visitation  program.   He noted that  HB 375  set a                                                               
timeline and strengthened  the requirement for the  state to show                                                               
that  a reasonable  effort  has been  made  to reunite  families.                                                               
This effort can include alcohol and drug treatment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAYES  asked  Mr.   McCune  to  characterize  the                                                               
relationship  between  the  public   defender's  office  and  the                                                               
Division of Family and Youth Services (DFYS).                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  discussed the Balloon  Project.  He said  it targeted                                                               
children who as of November 1997  had been in state custody 15 of                                                               
the previous  22 months.   Thirty percent of those  children have                                                               
been returned to their homes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL again  asked Mr.  McCune to  characterize                                                               
the agency's relationship with DFYS.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  said the relationship  is adversarial, but  that they                                                               
work "pretty  well" together.   He said that the  Anchorage court                                                               
system has a  federally funded mediation program  that works well                                                               
for open adoptions.  Open adoptions  are those in which the court                                                               
allows the natural parents to visit the adopted child.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  asked Mr. McCune  to clarify that  the 30                                                               
percent rate was  only for Balloon Project children.   Mr. McCune                                                               
confirmed that.  He added  that the overall percentage of reports                                                               
of harm that  lead to adoption of a child  is very small compared                                                               
with the percentage in the Balloon Project.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  asked  about   the  power  of  probation                                                               
officers.   Mr. McCune said  the public defender's office  is not                                                               
involved  with the  defendant after  the  conviction unless  that                                                               
person  is  arrested  for  a  parole violation.    He  said  that                                                               
Anchorage has  a pilot  project, a therapeutic  court.   A person                                                               
convicted  of a  crime involving  alcohol  or drug  abuse is  not                                                               
sentenced immediately  after conviction.   Sentencing  is delayed                                                               
and the individual is required to  appear in court once a week at                                                               
the outset,  then once every  two weeks,  etc.  The  delay allows                                                               
the  public defender's  office to  continue its  involvement with                                                               
the case.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  concluded by  saying he became  a public  defender in                                                               
1981 in Fairbanks, and has  since served in Bethel and Anchorage.                                                               
He said  his people try  to do a good  job in helping  those with                                                               
whom they deal.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ANNOUNCEMENTS                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
There were no announcements.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
The committee took no action.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL adjourned the  meeting House State Affairs                                                               
Standing Committee meeting at 9:49 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
NOTE: The  meeting was  recorded and  handwritten log  notes were                                                               
taken.  A  copy of the tape(s)  and log notes may  be obtained by                                                               
contacting the  House Records  Office at  State Capitol,  Room 3,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska 99801,  (mailing  address),  (907) 465-2214,  and                                                               
after  adjournment of  the second  session  of the  Twenty-Second                                                               
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contacting the Legislative Reference Library at  (907) 465-3808.                                                                

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